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	<title>Comments on: [Full Post] Their missing Mile-High Menus and Magic Corners : Fitts&#8217; Law vs. Apple on&#160;Windows</title>
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		<title>By: Vincenzo</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-412197</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello. Just a quick observation. I haven&#039;t been using Windows for ages now, but as far as I remember, the Windows applications menus are not high-mile menus at all, as they have got the window title bar on top of them, haven&#039;t they? So, you actually need to point the mouse to some pixels below the top edge of the screen, which is significantly slower than point the mouse to the edge (for the Fitts&#039; law, of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Just a quick observation. I haven&#8217;t been using Windows for ages now, but as far as I remember, the Windows applications menus are not high-mile menus at all, as they have got the window title bar on top of them, haven&#8217;t they? So, you actually need to point the mouse to some pixels below the top edge of the screen, which is significantly slower than point the mouse to the edge (for the Fitts&#8217; law, of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; Fitts&#8217; Law vs. Apple on Windows, continued, again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bram.us &#187; Fitts&#8217; Law vs. Apple on Windows, continued, again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] years ago I wrote about Fitts&#8217; Law vs. iTunes/Safari describing the lack of the upperleft and upperright pixels in the Windows distribution of Safari. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] years ago I wrote about Fitts&#8217; Law vs. iTunes/Safari describing the lack of the upperleft and upperright pixels in the Windows distribution of Safari. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; Fitts’ Law vs. Apple on Windows, continued</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-319867</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram.us &#187; Fitts’ Law vs. Apple on Windows, continued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that last year I wrote about Fitts&#8217; Law vs. iTunes? This year the saga continues: iTunes8 suffers from the same mistakes (whereas other versions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that last year I wrote about Fitts&#8217; Law vs. iTunes? This year the saga continues: iTunes8 suffers from the same mistakes (whereas other versions [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Non-intrusive peel back ads &#171; totallyMAd - The Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-255831</link>
		<dc:creator>Non-intrusive peel back ads &#171; totallyMAd - The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This being said, I feel peel-back ads are the most-eye-catching and effective form of advertising on the web. These are proving very popular overseas, and are also known as ‘page peels’ and ‘magic corners’. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This being said, I feel peel-back ads are the most-eye-catching and effective form of advertising on the web. These are proving very popular overseas, and are also known as ‘page peels’ and ‘magic corners’. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ragu Kattinakere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragu Kattinakere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
The article applies Fitts&#039; law very nicely. 

I have noticed that Apple does not take in to account some of the obvious improvements. For example the Close,Minimize buttons are so small that it is hard to close the window.

The menu bar at the top of the display in Apple Mac may not be as useful as it looks from the perspective of InfoViz. Mac disassociates the menu from applications, which is inherently an integral part of the application, introducing visual and motor discontinuity.  Disassociating Menu from application also introduces unnecessary distance.

Looking at the arrangements of menu in WinX, I see that placing Menu bar on top of the title bar will increase performance. 

~rAGU
UofS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
The article applies Fitts&#8217; law very nicely. </p>
<p>I have noticed that Apple does not take in to account some of the obvious improvements. For example the Close,Minimize buttons are so small that it is hard to close the window.</p>
<p>The menu bar at the top of the display in Apple Mac may not be as useful as it looks from the perspective of InfoViz. Mac disassociates the menu from applications, which is inherently an integral part of the application, introducing visual and motor discontinuity.  Disassociating Menu from application also introduces unnecessary distance.</p>
<p>Looking at the arrangements of menu in WinX, I see that placing Menu bar on top of the title bar will increase performance. </p>
<p>~rAGU<br />
UofS</p>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; Safari 3.0.4 beta</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-118775</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram.us &#187; Safari 3.0.4 beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out, with 10 new features, and fixing that UI bug I described a while ago.  Spread the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out, with 10 new features, and fixing that UI bug I described a while ago.  Spread the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; http://particletree.com/features/visualizing-fittss-law/</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-93244</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram.us &#187; http://particletree.com/features/visualizing-fittss-law/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article on Visualizing Fittsâ€™s Law on Particletree. Be sure to read my Fitts&#8217; Law post too as the subject is extremely interesting imo   Spread the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article on Visualizing Fittsâ€™s Law on Particletree. Be sure to read my Fitts&#8217; Law post too as the subject is extremely interesting imo   Spread the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alphaindigo</title>
		<link>http://www.bram.us/2007/06/26/their-missing-mile-high-menus-and-magic-corners-fitts-law-vs-apple-on-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-61487</link>
		<dc:creator>alphaindigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes i agree this is an annoying problem i have noticed myself inedvertantly. Very interesting article. i will use some of these ideas in creating aps in the future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes i agree this is an annoying problem i have noticed myself inedvertantly. Very interesting article. i will use some of these ideas in creating aps in the future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple has many interface problems. E.g. the single mouse button in combination of the apple key (instead of right-click). Did they ever think about people with disabilities?

On Mac, you don&#039;t survive without the apple key. This problem can also be found in many of the Adobe applications. Compare Illustrator to Coreldraw. In Coreldraw you can copy, duplicate, scale, mirror,... your objects with smart mouse behaviours. In Adobe this can&#039;t be done without touching your keyboard.

I also don&#039;t understand what&#039;s so fun about launching programs not full screen and having layers of windows overlapping each other. Interfaces of underlaying applications appear through windows of overlaying applications. How confusing is that?

But it seems to work. And user seems to get used to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has many interface problems. E.g. the single mouse button in combination of the apple key (instead of right-click). Did they ever think about people with disabilities?</p>
<p>On Mac, you don&#8217;t survive without the apple key. This problem can also be found in many of the Adobe applications. Compare Illustrator to Coreldraw. In Coreldraw you can copy, duplicate, scale, mirror,&#8230; your objects with smart mouse behaviours. In Adobe this can&#8217;t be done without touching your keyboard.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s so fun about launching programs not full screen and having layers of windows overlapping each other. Interfaces of underlaying applications appear through windows of overlaying applications. How confusing is that?</p>
<p>But it seems to work. And user seems to get used to it.</p>
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